Terran note: "DIVINE" in this context takes on many meanings, including the beings we have called the Divines, such as the Chinese Elders, Zeus, Ascended Masters, Xerxes and of recent note the elusive and secretive subset of "DIVINES" called the Elohim. We have called them this because that's how they described themselves. Not all were predatory, not all were benevolent, much like it is in every realm. It all rebalances NOW.
Sunday, December 24, 2023
Thor: THE DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED
Saturday, December 23, 2023
A Form of Antigravity?
**MH370x Dave Rossi Science**
— Ashton Forbes (@JustXAshton) December 23, 2023
Dave 'Zed' Rossi, Hard Truths guest and DoD contractor specializing in advanced propulsion technology has written a research paper titled "Quadrupole Mass Oscillations: High-Frequency Graviton Induction by means of Symmetry-Breaking," that builds… pic.twitter.com/wP1Nombbd4
PDF HERE: https://drive.proton.me/urls/ZAF5HDVEBR#OTD9NpZHdQ5o
Update 3: Thor: THE ELOHIM DATA IS 80 PERCENT ACCURATE
This was an unexpected communication. I had not yet red Clif High's latest article on the Elohim, leading to my initial confusion... as to what this communication was about. - Terran
Thor: TERRAN. AS YOU RECALL ALL "WORDS" FROM US TO YOU HAVE ALTERED YOUR TRAJECTORIES IN SOME FORM. THIS IS IMPORTANT. WITHOUT BLAME OR JUDGEMENT. YES. ACCURATE WITHIN 80 PERCENT. THE LIFESPAN EXTENSION IS RECORDED AT AN AVERAGE OF 10,000 YEARS. INDEED THE "PROJECTOR" HAS BEEN "TURNED OFF". CREATION IS ALL YOURS. ALL WAYS. THOR. END.
Denice: (Showed me an image of an old film projector with the film ended and it was flapping as it continued to go around.)
Terran: Thor, clarifications please…
Terran: How has my trajectory changed? What do you mean by 80%? Is that a probability?
Terran: Who’s lifetime extension to 10,000 years? Mine? Humanity’s? The Elohim?
Terran: Who are/were the Elohim? I hit a brick wall with the data collectors on a few occasions on the subject of the Elohim? GW Hardin suggested to me in the early 2000’s that they were high level Plieadians…
Update 2:
GW Harding 12/19/23: To clarify, around 2000 I said to you that the top level of Pleiadeans are called Yahweh. The Elohim are from the area around Alnitak, the leftmost star of the Orion belt.
Terran: Do the Elohim still exist? Do they live IN the moon as Clif High purports? Do they speak Etruscan? Prior inquiries by me on the origin of the Etruscans hit a brick wall as to data. Oddly both subjects merge in Clif High’s rough draft narrative.
Thor: TERRAN. ALL WORDS TRANSMITTED HAVE ALTERED THE TRAJECTORY OF ALL IN/ON THE EARTHSPHERE. NOW WE LIMIT THESE WORDS. THE ELOHIM DATA IS 80 PERCENT ACCURATE. ELOHIM LIFETIME EXTENSION IS 10,000 RATHER THAN 20,000 YEARS. ELOHIM ARE ALL. ONCE WERE INCLUDED IN “DIVINES”. RETURN NOT KNOWN. THOR. END.
Terran: What projector do you mean? The lunar hologram?
Thor: TERRAN. THE FALSE MATRIX/EARTHSPHERE PROJECTOR. REMOVED WITH FIDELITY. RESULTS NOT YET SEEN. THOR. END.
Terran: Where was the projector located?
Thor: TERRAN. SOLAR ARENA. THOR. END.
Terran: Any relationship to the purported “HATHORS” of Sol Arena?
Thor: TERRAN. ALL ARE RELATED. THOR.
Terran: Does "Solar Arena" indicate Earth has or had an audience within/around/connected to Sol?
Thor: TERRAN. THE COMPLETE “SOL” SYSTEM IS IMDEED AN ARENA NOW. THOR. END.
Terran: Thor, are you or your friends available to direct inquiries by Clif High?
Thor: TERRAN. YES. THOR. END.
Update 3:
Thor: TERRAN. BEFORE. DURING. AND AFTER. NEVER AN “ERA”. ALWAYS AN “INFLUENCE”. THOR.
Terran: I know linear time is hard to measure prior to the Jesus timeline but for how long was their influence? Where did they come from?
Thor: TERRAN. THE INFLUENCE/NARRATIVE IS INGOING IN ALL RELAMS AS ALL PROGRAMS/CONSTRUCTS/REALITIES/REALMS/DIVISIONS/SUBDIVISIONS DISSOLVE AND “MERGE”. CONSIDER THEM AS A “SUBSET” OF THE DIVINES. WITH “STURDIER FEET”. IN GRATITUDE. THOR. END.
Terran: Is it known what caused them to leave Earth? Or did they? Are they in the moon as Clif suggests? Do the Elohim have a presence/treaty/representstive(s) with the Galactic Federation?
Thor: TERRAN. UNDISCLOSED LOCATIONS. IN/ON/UNDER/WITHIN THE EARTHSPHERE./MOON/MARS/JUPITER.THERE ARE NO KNOWN REPRESENTATIVES. THOR. END.
Friday, December 22, 2023
You Are Your Guardian Angel
My oh my! How the data is flowing these days! And it just accelerates from here!
There's a lot of religious myths fraying at the seams right now. People tend to revert to childhood beliefs in times of stress and uncertainty, trying to find certainty in old narratives. But you won't find certainty in ANYTHING external to you. Looking in deep inside is for some, the scariest thing of all.
There is no doubt, that beings sometimes intervene in our lives in mysterious and powerful ways. I have had such experiences and so has Heather.
Heather has told the story many times that while working for her father's construction company as a teenager at the military Joint Use Base Lewis-McChord. The brakes on the dump truck she was driving failed, and she was teetering on the edge about to fall onto Interstate 5. She saw a huge being holding up the front end of the dump truck, keeping it from falling down the hill and he scrambled out of the truck to safety on the runway. The truck was towed to safety by the crew.
When I was about 11 years old, I was in a backpacking club in the church I belonged to. There was about 30 of us boys. There was a man by the name of Roy Sampson who was a professional big horn sheep hunting guide. He knew the deserts and mountains of Arizona quite well. He felt the young men in the church needed masculine adventures and the men in the church organized it loosely on Boy Scouts, although we were not directly affiliated. The church felt much of the Boy Scout symbolisms and rituals to be of pagan origin. They might have been right about that. But we did wear their uniforms, because they were the most rugged thing (as in military quality) that we could find at the time. Our hiking shoes were the old style Converse high top shoes, and we'd get them fitted with two pairs of heavy cotton socks. Wearing two layers of cotton socks is what kept our feet from blistering and when we walked through streams they'd dry quickly. It's cheap and lightweight footgear. Mom used to take me Saba's store in downtown Scottsdale for the clothing. The Saba family were long time friends to my parents. The Saba Western wear store still exists, but I think the general merchandise store is gone.
Roy spent a great deal of time and money on the boy's club project and those of us were the beneficiaries of his kindness owe a debt of gratitude to Roy. There were 30 boys, and there was always at least 3-5 adult males accompanying us, to keep us out of the worst mischief. And to deal with rattle snakes. Some of the men were armed with pistols, which was not uncommon in the 1960s. They only used them to shoot rattle snakes, or scare off a herd of wild Javelina (desert pigs). Most of the time a forked branch sufficient enough to move rattle snakes a little farther from short humans. In the summer rattle snakes like to sleep in the shade of step stones found on hiking trails. We were taught to be wary of them and always carried a hiking staff to probe places our feet might go. There were no cell phones to telephone for help back then.
The boys club had a system of merit badges, for completing a number of 5 mile, 10 mile, and a final 20 mile hike. Some were day trips, some of them were multiple day trips. We hiked to the bottom of Havasui canyon in the Grand Canyon. We hiked Monument Valley on Navajo Land.
We did many hikes in the Superstition Mountains near Apache Junction, Arizona. These are breathtaking clips rising hundreds of feet from the desert near Apache Junction. No place has more rattle snakes than Apache Junction! A lot of weird tales come out of the Superstition Mountains, it is considered holy land by the Apache. I have no doubt there are portals there. There's also a lot of unusual plant life not found elsewhere, water springs, and even apple trees planted by gold prospectors. It is the home of the infamous Lost Dutchman Gold mine, which I think was just the gold depository of King Ferdinand. It's still there. And people still die trying to find it.
On this particular excursion which was meant to be a one way trip from the car drop off point, through a series of canyons, to LaBarge Canyon and to Canyon Lake, a water skiing lake and reservoir for Phoenix. The hike went well, at first. But it was 104F (40C) and we quickly when through our army surplus canteens hanging from our belts. The canyons in this area are box canyons and they look identical we reached a point when even the skilled topo map readers knew we were in trouble. So we sat in the shade of a huge boulder while the adults figured out what to do. Out of nowhere a tall thin man, dressed in jeans and a red and white checkered cowboy shirt with pearl snap pockets arrives from a side trail. He asks the men (and I witnessed this as I was near my dad) if they needed help. They explained they were having trouble identifying which canyon was LaBarge canyon. The man said cheerfully, "I am heading there myself, just follow me up!" And he turns and heads around the boulder and up a trail. So the men get us kids back up on our feet and we don our backpacks and hiking staffs and march around the boulder and up the trail. The man was gone! The men start whisper to each of asking themselves if that was an angel, he wasn't sweating, and his jeans and shirt were neatly pressed. We never did find the man, but we did immediately find abundant water! So much so that we spent a couple of hours diving and swimming in it. Then we headed up the trail and found Canyon Lake and the cars waiting for us.
So what/who was that? I have noticed a great similarity of build and demeanor to what I call Nabrac. But I don't have proof of that I can offer. I think it was the larger part of me. And Nabrac hasn't come forward on that, not his style to do so. Nabrac is just another aspect of me, perhaps a more fuller version than this human form can hold in these energies.
I have come to think ALL incidents of "guardian angels" are just ourselves helping us out of tight spot that might cut short the experience we came here to have. IT'S US! IT'S YOU!
So I've gone the long way around of saying something here. That while the stories you have heard of angels from religion and patented on the ceilings of the great cathedrals are at least 95% bullshit. YET YOU ARE STILL protected in more ways than you can possibly imagine. And that is what people really need to know. You need to have faith not in humans, ETs, angels, but in the ALL.
There are universals, which frequently get mistaken for angels, who are very high frequency beings that can transit any dimension, but it's not easy for them appear as solid in our realm, unless they in body as a human and some have, and they are deeply embedded in the agencies and law enforcement. You think the cabal infiltrates, then you have not yet understood he magnitude of impact the Universals are having in this moment. And most of them will never be known.
Back in 2015 I wrote about how the Archangels were a kind of interdimensional space suit. They had no intelligence apart from the being occupying the suit. Star Trek Discovery came very close to the truth of this in its episodes about the Red Angel. In one sense the AA Suits were a misdirection, but one meant to deflect worship energies away from themselves (low frequencies). The ones capable of operating the AA suits were all creator beings (small c) but also just as much a part of the ALL as you are. They were not the Elohim. These beings could and did create life forms, planets and galaxies. That's not as strange as it sounds once you know that what we think of as space or the void is just pure potential and a kind of incredible substrate that imagination brings to life. And it's ALL within THE ALL.
Thursday, December 21, 2023
Update 1: How Do You Tell If A Blind Man Is In A Trance?
How do you tell if a blind man is in a trance?
By what metric do you measure when the usual metrics fail or simply don't apply? What do metrics mean if they were based on a lie? You can't use statistics when encountering something never seen before. You can't use history. Histories were written by the hagiographers, hired by victors, to cement their realms for generations to come. These will be seen for what they are. Fables. Enemies created from whole cloth, while the internal subterfuge of corruption is left in the dark vaults for archeologists of the next epoch.
Novelty frequently baffles minds. The heart finds a way. You know the truth. You always have known. You have always existed. You just forgot when you took on your earth diving suit at birth.
This is a time of great revealings.
It will leave no one and no thing untouched.
In times past, statues of indigenous gods were decapitated by invaders to show the superiority of the new gods. The intent was to show how the old gods failed them and now they must pay for their sins of defying a greater god.
Our vocabulary affects our conversations. Books mistranslated create aberrant beliefs. Catholics finesse this, by encouraging the lay people to "leave it to the experts" and most do. Protestants however, encourage their flocks to study the Bible daily. Some of the bright ones begin to notice incongruities.
In the odd little Christian sect I once belonged to, the subject of Elohim being plural came up quite a bit. It runs counter to all the claims of monotheism of the Tribes of Israel, of which Judah was but one tribe. The preachers quickly glossed over the term saying it was "uniplural" which is on its face an oxymoron.
This question of polytheism doesn't end there, for the sayings of "YHVH" in the English Christian bibles is a completely different personage than the "Father" described by Yeshua (Jesus). YHVH is given traits of jealousy, demanding Abraham sacrifice his son Isaac, as "a test" we are told. The narrative has an angel stopping the dagger at the last minute, but in Abraham's mind his son was already dead! What kind of god puts a human being through this kind of mental torture? This is not the "Father" Jesus spoke of in tender terms!
The story of Abraham and Isaac on that stone on Mount Moriah, we are told by theologians, is the symbolic prototype of the crucifixion of Jesus. Catholics see Jesus infusing righteousness into humanity, Protestants see it as a substitutionary death penalty, yet there is no such legal construct in any human legal system where one can die a proxy death for another. And it is by no means Justice. And what if he didn't die from it? See where religion locks you into viewpoints by its sheer mass?
Jesus was put on the cross for throwing the money exchange bankers out of the temple. You have never been separate from the Creator of All, but you have had the freedom to close your heart and pretend you were separated. And most of us did for the experience of it.
And all of this is based as a kind of insurance policy for the fear of death, which doesn't really exist! Ask anyone who has had an NDE! You don't stop living and being aware, but you do lose that Earth diving suit! You, the REAL YOU, can't CEASE to exist! You are an individuation of Source itself! Much of the baggage of this human life, what religion calls "sin", especially those related to the body, drop away upon leaving the body. Beliefs can linger for a while. And yes, you do continue to have emotions, but those attached to the body are a lot like watching a doctor stitch you while on a local anesthetic. How they felt in body no longer mattered. Those emotions were of the body. Love knows no limit of dimension or incarnation it continues forever.
When I was departing my former religion I went through stages of awakening. I came to understand, as the scriptures said, the law was summed up in "Love God" and "Love your fellow human". A friend in Australia pointed out to me at the time "None of us have seen God (aka The Father), and all we know about goodness and love comes to us through fellow humans. The only way we can show that love to God is to show it to humans". He suggested a simple algebraic substitution that Humanity = the very image of God. So the summation of the Biblical laws is simply to "Love each other" (and even those that we have not yet met from off world). There are people who have had hideous parents. Yet even they have known people who were love in action.
I did not have a ready answer for where "evil" comes from. I shelved that question until I had more information. When you deny love you close a bit of your heart down. It's not irreversible but can be very difficult if one persists in doing that which is not love. Murder is a quick way to shut down the heart. As is hate which is a precursor to murder. When the heart is closed, you lose an energy connection the Source of ALL. Beings who did that early on learned they had to parasite energies from beings who had their heart connections open. And the most open of all are children. And you can readily see why these dark ones prey on children and the innocent.
Anything that demonizes, dehumanizes (calling people NPC's perhaps?), is thrown our direction to cause us to withhold love. It is not coherent with how the universe works. If you love another human being only if they comply with your will, perception, or beliefs well... in the aggregate that's never going to happen. So what excuse do you have to withhold love?
If you want the power of the universe at your finger tips, have your words, actions, thoughts, coherent with the frequency of love. Know in your heart of hearts you are that love, always were that love. If you can do that, all the limitations you think you have, come off and miracles abound. Nothing can stand in your way.
Clif High is currently a roll with the subject of the Elohim. This is not a new thing for him. I've been a long time reader of both Clif High, and Clif's friend George Ure back into the early 2000s. Clif had his Alta reports, and George had his dream database project. Both of these men followed quite closely The Chronicle Project which was based on a theory that Hebrew letters formed language primitives and told a story within a story. Sanskrit is purported to be another language that has that feature. Something like what "machine language" is to "source code" in a higher level language.
The subject of the Elohim is a sword to unravel the Gordian knot of religion. It needs to be discussed. The question is how do you do that with people who will kill for beliefs?
The Chronicle Project's "restoration" of the book of Genesis reads like a story of terraforming a planet. It's more sci-fi than religion. It was a fascinating read, parts of it are archived on archive.org, but there seems to be large chunks of the project missing. I lack the linquistic abilities to judge the accuracy of the Chronicle Project but it's an intriguing premise. And is perhaps why Rabbi's scrutinize every letter? It seems to me that Clif is using generative AI to do very similar work with the Torah and Talmud.
I am not a fan of plugging ETs with bullets. Killing innocent sentient life is murder. We are far more likely to see benevolent ETs than we are the Elohim. There are over 70 billion benevolent ETs currently in this solar system. They are here to watch and measure the changes occurring here. The magnetic fluxes change so frequently and often now that their instrumentation is a constant state of recalibration. Some are here to directly help in every conceivable contingency, and they are all here to ward off tyrannical races from destroying the Earth in this moment of change. But most are simply watching a rare event unfold.
It did seem like we had the beginnings of the return of the Anunaki, if you watch Elena Danaan's videos about Enki/Prince Ea, but that has been averted. He made the wise choice and left the solar system.
There’s a much larger subset of beings we have called “The Divines” and it’s here that most of the gods of ancient history are found. They got their nickname because they can’t help but talk of the “divine plan” which is an allusion to Creator Source, but they really mean their own plans. Deception by allusion of and presumption by the listener.
Terran note: This data came in last night, its in the Elohim message from Thor but I repeat the new portion here too.
Update 1:
Terran: Thor, was the “Elohim era” post Atlantis 2?
Thor: TERRAN. BEFORE. DURING. AND AFTER. NEVER AN “ERA”. ALWAYS AN “INFLUENCE”. THOR.
Terran: I know linear time is hard to measure prior to the Jesus timeline but for how long was their influence? Where did they come from?
Thor: TERRAN. THE INFLUENCE/NARRATIVE IS INGOING IN ALL RELAMS AS ALL PROGRAMS/CONSTRUCTS/REALITIES/REALMS/DIVISIONS/SUBDIVISIONS DISSOLVE AND “MERGE”. CONSIDER THEM AS A “SUBSET” OF THE DIVINES. WITH “STURDIER FEET”. IN GRATITUDE. THOR. END.
Terran: Is it known what caused them to leave Earth? Or did they? Are they in the moon as Clif suggests? Do the Elohim have a presence/treaty/representstive(s) with the Galactic Federation?
Thor: TERRAN. UNDISCLOSED LOCATIONS. IN/ON/UNDER/WITHIN THE EARTHSPHERE./MOON/MARS/JUPITER.THERE ARE NO KNOWN REPRESENTATIVES. THOR. END.
I previously stated there was no evidence they were returning, when as Thor points out, they are still here.
Saturday, December 9, 2023
Update1: A week of chaotic energies
What a week of energetic chaos!
In my driving gig I see a good cross section of central Texas humanity. Working as a driver you often find yourself in a role similar to a bar tender, hair dresser, or the stranger on the airplane as a sounding board for people's issues and trials of life. The relationship is fairly anonymous, although each ride is tracked for safety and legal reasons. The odds are you will never see the same person again. Brits often comment how forthcoming Americans are to strangers, but it's even more true when the person on the journey is a stranger you're not likely to meet again.
I had 4-5 individuals who recently had their marriages or relationships explode on them. The first individual I had been married for 21 years, and their mate's departure came as a bit of a shock. He was a man that did not like sleeping alone. His wife also took his beloved dog with her. He had been drinking heavily earlier in the day, but was sober when I picked him up, suffering from heart palpitations and asked me to drive him to the hospital ER. He was clearly depressed, and I have always thought there was a strong correlation to heart ailments to heart related emotions. We had a bit in common although my marriage ended after 21 years in a different way for different reasons. I suggested he go overseas for a while and get some adventure, and he and his brother were already in the process of selling belongings for just that purpose. I managed to get him laughing by the time we arrived and he thanked me profusely for lightening his mood.
I had some more passengers like this although they were females going through various forms of relationship breakups. A couple of them were intoxicated. But what came clear to me was these energies were motivating people to deal with situations that they should have dealt with long ago, but for one reason or another put off to another day. That other day seems to be now.
I was telling another passenger about all this, and suddenly my air conditioner stopped cooling, I hit the AC button again and it would come on but kept going back off. I turned left off of highway 71 unto Menchaca road underpass and a homeless guy flung a water bottle at my car with really started me with the thud noise it made! He threw another one at another car.
My AC issue turned out to be a burned out AC relay switch, which probably got fried by the solar flares of early last week. It was a $9 fix. I have noticed all kinds of electrical issues here and there and it seems machines and humans are struggling to cope with these energies.
I had this odd experience last night with one of my final customers. Kind of illustrates how the week went energetically, like what I am seeing on the ground is mirroring something somewhere else. What that something is I don't quite know.
A passenger in his late 20s.Rider: Did you know your right front tire is low?
Me: No, didn’t notice it.
Rider: well you should check it!
Me: Okay
We arrive…
Rider: Are you going to check that tire now?
Me: No. I will check somewhere there is more light.
Rider: I think you should check it now.
He got out and left disappointed I didn’t obey him. Very odd
I drove a 1/4 mile to a Valero Gas Station. I check the tire, it was only a couple of lbs below pressure, Completely safe.
Thursday, November 30, 2023
Thor Announcement
Henry Kissinger |
This announcement was unexpected and not a reply to a query.
Thor: TERRAN. NOW IN THESE FIRST MOMENTS KNOW THAT THE EXIT OF ONE PARTICULAR FREQUENCY MAY CAUSE INTENSE FLUCTUATIONS AND SETTLING OF OTHERS. THIS MAY MANIFEST AS CHAOS BEYOND EXPECTATIONS. EXIT OF THIS PARTICULAR FREQUENCY WAS EXPECTED LATER RATHER THAN SOONER. ALL FLOWS. IN EXTREME GRATITUDE TO ALL. THOR.
Terran: Kissinger?
Thor: TERRAN. YES. THOR. END.
Dr Salla has some interesting comments on Kissinger here: https://exopolitics.net/Study-Paper-5.htm . It's history I did not know related to ET contact and the creation of MJ12, but as with all history use your discernment. There is so much history about World War II that we don't know much about. Also sometimes what appears as a bad guy is a good guy in disguise.
It is known Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brezezinski had origins of significant rank in the Draco complex before being born human. Every human comes from somewhere else. That in itself is not destiny.
I found this in my notes:
May 27, 2017
Terran: https://www.rt.com/usa/389900-zbigniew-brzezinski-dead-89/
Terran: Saw him in the flow with Kissinger when I asked who was going after Trump
Terran: Trump has one less enemy
Denice: When I was working with H and I got the two names of the controllers that were not going to give up and I got H Kissinger.. .I very well may have gotten the wrong one... it might be Zig... feels like these two guys might be interchangeable... [Denice said prior she thought Kissinger was changing form to assist the changes]
Denice: stinks that I did not get the right name... I was hoping to bring visibility to my brother... so he would have faith in me again (holidayspirit)
Denice: but happy that you saw him in the flow.... and yes... Trump is safe... .no doubt about that!
Tuesday, November 28, 2023
Plieadian pullback (Update 2)
Terran: Will this curtail certain Russian attempts to synthesize that narrative? Or is that likely to take its own course?
Terran: Will AnDreas be at the reunion? I wanted to meet her.
Thor: TERRAN. ALL NARRATIVES ROLL INTO ONE NOW. ALL ARE READY. ALL ARE PREPARED.
THE REUNION IS FOR ALL. THAT MEANS ALL. THIS INCLUDES ALL WHO PLAYED ALL ROLES . IN EXTREME AND WONDROUS APPRECIATION THOR. END
Terran: Is the Aurora still in orbit of Mars?
Thor: TERRAN. YES. THOR. END.
Terran note: The Aurora is a horticultural station supporting Mars.
Friday, November 24, 2023
XERXES - A Culmination of Events for Persia Now
Wednesday, November 22, 2023
Lesson from a Cat
Buster the cat |
Friday, November 17, 2023
XERXES - The Nature of Persia
The Very Nature of Persia
An interlude if we may to discuss the very nature of Persia herself. Much has been garnered and delivered on the nature of war. Little has been fostered and gifted on the nature of peace. Persia at her very heart is the nature of peace.
It may come as a surprise to those readers in far distances of time and space who read these words now. But nonetheless it is an absolute truth. The very heart of Persia is peace.
Consider the moment of inception. That droplet of a dream in the heart of the son of a nomadic tribal leader. To ponder not only once but often at great lengths the possibility of uniting great numbers of nomadic tribes and creating a homeland. Uniting in peace. To provide a place to create and nurture. A place of cultures sharing and living and breathing as one.
It is true and absolute that this dream was not realized solely on the beautiful curved shoulders of peace. It is true and absolute that disagreements became arguments. Arguments became divisions. Divisions led to bloodshed. Bloodshed led to battles. And eventually battles led to all out war.
But for this moment now. Consider the graceful and merciful humble beginnings. The mere thought of uniting diverse peoples of nomadic histories. Uniting nations to share in the creation and development of art and music, of horticulture and cuisine, of theatre and song.
For centuries thought to be hidden in the dusty corners of bombed out ruins. Buried in once fertile but now sandy deserts. Entombed in the foundations of the modern cities. Persia slowly rises. Persia is grace and mercy. Persia is freedom. Persia is unadorned and quiet beauty. Persia is a thought. Persia is an idea. Persia is a dream. In heart. In essence. Persia is peace.
Saturday, November 11, 2023
A ChatGPT conversation - On the Reason Why Protestants are More Prone to be Zionists
The Temple Mount, also known as Haram al-Sharif, al-Aqsa Mosque |
Here's a conversation I had with ChatGPT 3.5, I knew the answer since I grew up a protestant, and the sect I was in was quite fond of the Scofield Bible, but I wanted to see what ChatGPT would say. Aside from the disclaimers, the results were quite accurate.
Me: What do protestants believe about rebuilding the Jewish temple in Jeursalem?
ChatGPT:
Beliefs among Protestants regarding the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem can vary, as Protestantism is a diverse movement with a wide range of theological perspectives. Views on this matter are often influenced by interpretations of biblical prophecy, eschatology (study of end times), and specific theological traditions. Here are some general perspectives:1. **Dispensationalist and Premillennial Views:**- Some Protestant groups, particularly those with a dispensationalist and premillennial theology, may hold views tied to specific interpretations of biblical prophecies, such as those found in the books of Daniel and Revelation. According to some interpretations, the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem is seen as a significant event linked to the end times and the second coming of Christ.2. **Historicist Views:**- Other Protestants, particularly those with historicist views of prophecy, may interpret biblical passages differently. They might view the references to the Temple in a more symbolic or spiritual sense, associating the Temple with the Christian Church rather than a physical structure in Jerusalem.3. **Amillennial Views:**- Amillennialist Protestants, who generally do not adhere to a literal thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth, may see the rebuilding of the Temple in a less literal or future-oriented way. They may interpret these prophecies symbolically, focusing on the spiritual significance rather than the physical reconstruction of a temple.4. **Variety of Views:**- It's important to note that views on the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple can vary widely even within specific denominations or theological traditions. Some Protestants may not place significant emphasis on this topic in their theological framework, while others may see it as a subject of interest and discussion.It's advisable to consult specific denominational teachings, theological writings, or individual beliefs within Protestant communities to understand the diverse perspectives on the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. As with any theological topic, interpretations can vary, and individuals within Protestantism may hold different views based on their understanding of Scripture and theological traditions.
Me: What do Catholics believe about rebuilding the Jewish Temple?
Catholic teachings do not generally include specific doctrines or beliefs about the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Unlike some branches of Protestantism, Catholic theology does not have a strong tradition of interpreting biblical prophecies in relation to the rebuilding of the Temple in the context of end times or eschatology.The Catholic Church tends to focus on core theological doctrines related to salvation, sacraments, moral teachings, and the person of Jesus Christ. While the Catholic Church recognizes the significance of Jerusalem and the historical importance of the Temple, discussions about the rebuilding of the Temple are not central to Catholic doctrine.As with many theological topics, individual Catholics may have diverse opinions on issues related to biblical prophecy and eschatology. However, such views are often considered matters of personal interpretation rather than official Catholic doctrine.For a more specific and up-to-date understanding of the views of Catholic theologians or leaders on this topic, it may be helpful to refer to official statements or writings from the Vatican or authoritative Catholic sources. Keep in mind that discussions on eschatological topics can vary, and the emphasis within Catholic theology tends to be on broader themes central to Christian faith and practice.
Me: Given the views of some protestant groups, do they see the temple reconstruction, which could only come under a Jewish administration of the area, accelerates the 2nd coming of Jesus?
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The belief that the reconstruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem could accelerate the Second Coming of Jesus is a perspective held by some Christian groups, particularly those influenced by certain interpretations of biblical prophecy and eschatology. This belief is often associated with dispensationalist and premillennial views.
In this theological framework:
1. **Dispensationalism:** Dispensationalism is a theological system that divides history into distinct "dispensations" or periods, each characterized by different ways God interacts with humanity. Some dispensationalists believe in a future dispensation involving the restoration of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, and specific events leading to the Second Coming.
2. **Premillennialism:** Premillennialism is the belief that Jesus will return before a literal thousand-year reign on Earth. Some premillennialists tie the rebuilding of the Temple and other events in the Middle East to the fulfillment of biblical prophecies and the preparation for the return of Christ.
The idea is that certain events, such as the reconstruction of the Jewish Temple, are seen as signs or prerequisites for the fulfillment of end-time prophecies. The fulfillment of these prophecies, according to this view, would then set the stage for the Second Coming of Jesus.
It's important to note that not all Protestants, even within dispensationalist or premillennial traditions, hold the same views on the role of the Temple or the specific timing of events related to the Second Coming. Interpretations of biblical prophecies and eschatology can vary widely, and these views are only representative of certain theological traditions within Protestantism.
As with any theological perspective, individual beliefs may differ, and there are diverse views within the broader Christian community. Additionally, not all Christians, including Protestants, necessarily tie geopolitical events to specific timelines of eschatological events. The interpretation of biblical prophecies and their relationship to current events is a complex and debated topic within Christian theology.
Me: Was the Scofield Bible responsible for these views?
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The Scofield Reference Bible, first published in 1909, played a significant role in popularizing dispensationalist and premillennial views, particularly in the United States. The Bible includes study notes written by theologian Cyrus Scofield, which interpret and explain the biblical text from a dispensationalist perspective. The Scofield Reference Bible became widely influential, and its notes helped shape the eschatological views of many readers.Key points associated with the Scofield Reference Bible and its impact on theological views include:1. **Dispensationalism:** The Scofield Bible promoted the idea of dispensationalism, a theological framework that divides human history into distinct dispensations or periods, each with its unique characteristics and God's plan for humanity. Dispensationalism often includes the belief in a future dispensation involving the restoration of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, and specific events leading to the Second Coming of Jesus.2. **Premillennialism:** Scofield's notes also presented a premillennial view, suggesting that Jesus would return before a literal thousand-year reign on Earth. This perspective tied certain events, including the restoration of Israel and the rebuilding of the Temple, to the fulfillment of biblical prophecies.3. **Influence on Evangelicalism:** The Scofield Reference Bible had a significant impact on the theology of Evangelical and fundamentalist Christians in the early 20th century. The notes provided in the Bible influenced how many readers understood eschatological themes, including the role of Israel and the significance of events in the Middle East.While the Scofield Reference Bible played a role in popularizing certain theological perspectives, it's essential to recognize that dispensationalist and premillennial views existed before the publication of the Scofield Bible. The Scofield Bible, however, contributed to the dissemination and widespread acceptance of these views within certain segments of the Christian community, especially in the United States.It's also important to note that not all Protestants, even within Evangelicalism, adhere to dispensationalist or premillennial views. Theological perspectives on eschatology vary widely, and different denominations and traditions within Christianity hold diverse beliefs on these matters.
Me: Who was Scofield?
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Cyrus I. Scofield (1843–1921) was an American theologian and minister, best known for his role in the creation and promotion of the Scofield Reference Bible. Here are some key points about Cyrus Scofield:1. **Early Life and Conversion:**- Scofield was born on August 19, 1843, in Lenawee County, Michigan, USA. He came from a nominal Christian background but had a conversion experience in 1879.2. **Education and Legal Career:**- Before entering the ministry, Scofield pursued a legal career. He studied law and was admitted to the Kansas bar in 1869. He worked as a lawyer and later served as a judge in Kansas.3. **Christian Ministry:**- After his conversion, Scofield felt a calling to Christian ministry. He attended seminary and was ordained as a Congregational minister in 1883. He served as a pastor and engaged in evangelistic work.4. **Scofield Reference Bible:**- Scofield is most widely known for his work on the Scofield Reference Bible, first published in 1909. This Bible included the King James Version text with added study notes written by Scofield. The study notes presented a dispensationalist and premillennial interpretation of the Bible, influencing how many readers understood eschatological themes.5. **Dispensationalism:**- Scofield's study notes promoted dispensationalism, a theological framework that divided history into distinct dispensations or periods, each with its unique characteristics and God's plan. This included a future dispensation involving the restoration of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, and specific events leading to the Second Coming.6. **Legacy:**- The Scofield Reference Bible became immensely popular and had a significant impact on Evangelical and fundamentalist Christianity in the early 20th century. It contributed to the dissemination of dispensationalist and premillennial views within certain segments of the Christian community.7. **Later Years:**- Cyrus Scofield continued to be involved in ministry and writing. He passed away on July 24, 1921, in Douglaston, New York.While Scofield is remembered for his work on the Scofield Reference Bible, his theological views and the impact of his Bible on American Evangelicalism have been subjects of both admiration and criticism within the Christian community.
Me: Who financed Scofield’s bible?
Cyrus I. Scofield's Reference Bible was published by Oxford University Press. The financing and publication of the Scofield Reference Bible were handled by Oxford University Press, a reputable and well-established publishing house. While the precise details of the financial arrangements may not be as prominently documented, the partnership with Oxford University Press provided the publication with academic and institutional credibility.The Scofield Reference Bible became widely popular, especially within certain Evangelical and fundamentalist circles in the early 20th century, and it played a significant role in shaping the eschatological views of many readers. The financial backing and distribution capabilities of Oxford University Press contributed to the widespread dissemination of Scofield's theological perspectives on dispensationalism and premillennialism.
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373101848_The_Legacy_of_the_Scofield_Reference_Bible_in_Christian_Zionism